Keith Body wrote, in June
2007 on the VMs Net:
Had the illustrations been of real plants, and the text legible
this part would have been an instruction book
on producing pharmaceutical material and perfume. As
presented it is just nonsense. But impressive to the uneducated?
I do not believe in hidden meanings, it all gets too complicated
to produce, VMs is a hurried production with a sad lack of
materials.
GC replied:
I guess I'm curious how you come to these conclusions. What is
there to say that the drawings are not of real plants, and what is
there to say that the text is not legible? Moreover, how do you
reach the conclusion that the VMS is a hurried production? I
don't get any of this from studying the Voynich.
Without going into my
particular reasoning on why the plants are real or the text legible and
decipherable, let's just consider how "hurried" a production the VMS
could have been. Each drawing is very detailed, and the beginning
drawings were even marked for specific coloring. If this was the
work of one person, and that person finished one drawing each day,
the drawings alone would have taken over a year to produce. We
know that the text is far from random filler, that it has structure and
follows a pattern of one sort or another. Even if you consider
the text to be meaningless nonsense, it
was generated nonsense, not random nonsense, and the very act
of generating the text would have taken some time. Generating
150,000 or so characters of algorithmic text would have
required the person to enact an algorithm on each character, and
that could have taken weeks of straight work.
In transcribing the
text, I averaged 4 hours a day, 5 days a week, for almost 4 months to
get it down as accurately as I could, and I was typing straight
from the images to a split screen processor. The original
writer would have been transcribing to one medium, then copying the
final to the Voynich, a more time consuming method than I used in my
exercise. It's harder to get it right than you think, and it's
pretty obvious that whoever put this together spent a good deal of time
considering the layout for certain pages before the pages were ever
created. Someone creating the VMS as a hoax text would have a
good 3 to 4 months of 8-10 hour days in getting it completed. And
more to the point, I've always advocated that each Voynichero type a
few pages of the Voynich in their favorite transcription, or better
yet, create your own, so you can get a feel for the text. When
you get used to it, you can feel the text change as you type, and the
changes are not at all random changes. It is clear to me that
there is human thought behind the text, an ever-so-slightly changing
algorithm that dictates its structure, and that kind of intelligence
and effort is not usually wasted on nonsense.
Let's just stay with
the text for a moment. Simple herbal pages use a simple text, but
more complex pharmaceutical pages use a more complex text. The
text gets more complex in the astronomicals and astrologicals, even
more complex in the biologicals, and the stars section even more
complex. The more complex the subject, the more educated the
author would have to be to understand that particular "apparent"
subject matter, the more complex the text gets. Is this something
a hoaxer could have built in unknowingly, is it something a hoaxer
would even have considered, or is it simply that the more educated the
author became, the more complex his communication became?
Considering the hundreds of Codex's I've viewed, only one ever
demonstrated an advancement of communication, and that was also an
herbal, handed down from teacher to student and compiled over a period
of better than 100 years. This one feature alone is enough for me
to suspect creation over a long period of time, but there are a few
dozen others that when added together say "lengthy construction", not
"hurried production".
The paints are another
feature I find difficult to fit into a "hurried production"
scenario. The paints changed about 8 times during the
construction of the manuscript, and the ink changes three times that I
know of. Did a hoaxer run out of one type of paint 8 times,
switch for some reason, or why did this happen if this was a
hurried production? Any scenario must take these items into
account.
I seem to say this a
lot, but once again, if it weren't for the handwriting, I would
subscribe to the "multiple author" scenario. What stops me is
that I laid out thousands of glyphs and did overlays, and the writing
of the glyphs does not change dramatically enough to qualify saying
that more than one person wrote the script. In fact, the visible
changes to the text between the herbal pages and the last written text
is entirely in keeping with the natural change in handwriting over a
long period of time. If
the A herbals begin the timeline, and these were written about the
time a scholar would have been studying herbal lore in college, these
pages would have been written when the author was between 15 and 18
years of age. The next section would be the pharmaceuticals, and
they demonstrate the same person in their early to middle
20's. I didn't do an analysis of the astrologicals, but the
biologicals follow the pattern of the same person in their late 30's,
possibly early 40's. This assumes that the person started out
with 20/20 vision, and this seems to be the case for the A herbal
author.
I qualify that I am not
a licensed optometrist or ophthalmologist, but I am a curious
researcher that has experienced some of these natural changes in sight
firsthand, so when I read of the effects and the average age these
hit the population, I gain a general sense of when in one's life a
certain piece could have been written, given the characteristics
of the text. It's certainly not a "scientific" examination, and I
certainly wish it were, rather an "educated analysis", but
I estimate that the Voynich took approximately 35 years to
complete, give or take a decade, unfortunately. My
hypothetical author would have written his last Voynich words while in
his 50's.
But don't mind that I
take exception with your estimation of the Voynich - I take
exception with just about everybody's estimation of the Voynich, heh
heh. Isn't it just so much fun? Perhaps I ought to do
one of those "Wotan says" things and answer a question many have
asked - how do you attack something like this? It's been awhile
since I've answered this question, and it will be awhile before I say
it again, so listen up, kiddies! :-)
I remember reading Jim
Reed's paper on the third book of Trithemius, and though I don't have
that paper on this computer, I remember that he mentioned the most
difficult problem for him was convincing himself that there was cipher
there in the first place. For all the times I experienced those
doubts, I could have laid a big sloppy wet one full on Jim's lips for
writing that line. It's so much easier to doubt, to write
things off as unsolvable for one reason or another, than it is to face
the problem head on and tell yourself, here's a problem I can't
solve, and I have to figure out a way to solve it. I
had Strong's notes to help me on the way, but there were
times I wasn't convinced that Strong knew what the heck he was
talking about either. Strong served as a very good guideline, but
he only started the analysis, and two disparate pages of partially
correct text weren't enough to finish it. It had to be
done the hard way, beating one's head against failure after failure.
So how do you attack
the Voynich? First, try to identify the
underlying language. This requires a proper transcription,
and can't be done with EVA. For those who don't know, EVA is the
equivalent of writing the word "CAN'T" as "c,a,i,n,vertical stroke,
horizontal stroke". Accurate word frequency counts require a
transcription that is based on single character assignments for single
glyphs. "Can't" is a four letter word, but six letters in EVA, so
this doesn't help in identifying the language. You can of course
continue without knowing the underlying language, but the road will be
difficult if you don't at least have some idea of the language
family. Of course, if you're out there testing Chinese against an
obviously Western European manuscript, you're most probably short in
the common sense department, and unfortunately common sense is a
necessary asset in later stages.
If the subject is
herbal, perhaps it would be good to know something about early
herbals? What was their structure, what was their content, and
what can you most expect to find in a Voynich herbal page? How
many words was the average herbal topic, and does this resemble the
Voynich structure? Many questions, all have answers.
It's late or I
would finish this, but not to leave you in suspense: I have
already posted a list of places where one can find in-roads into the
Voynich, but the simplest is to be found in the herbal pages.
Pick a plant, try to identify it, and you'll find that almost always,
(as was common with herbals of the same period) the first or second
word (sometimes both) is the plant identification. (Heck, you can
see that by the length and placement of the words, eh, or is this
pattern also part of some random and meaningless text?) It helps
if you went to the effort of narrowing the language, but gather
together the largest group of tentative identifications you can, and
start playing around. You're not starting in the middle with the
herbals, you're actually starting at the beginning of each page, and
this is very important.
I simply can't stress
enough how important it is to do your research, know the topic,
and make educated guesses on what you think should be written
there. It's so easy to dismiss it all as a hoax or an inaccurate
copy of something else, but mounting an attack on the Voynich doesn't
require any new or unknown methods, rather traditional, time
tested methods adjusted to fit the situation and the subject
matter. You're not going to solve with superior intellect, you're
going to solve with stubborn tenacity, logic, and common sense.
Don't know the difference between intellect and common sense?
Don't worry, few do.
Good night, and
pleasant dreams.
GC
And GC added, a couple of days later:
No sleep again, a chronic condition, so I decided to expand a bit
on what I was talking about in the earlier thread. When I do
sleep it is the sleep of the dead, hope that doesn't become a permanent
habit! :-)
Finding the language - Actually, Strong did a very good job of
sorting through several options. Taking samples of various texts,
he counted word lengths and charted the word lengths for the authors
and the language. (I'm a bit curious how that Codex 246 on CEEC
would chart if the abbreviations are counted as single characters -
interesting.) Unless you're extraordinarily lucky, you will
narrow the language down to two, possibly three suspects. I go
with Latinized English as my choice.
Building a list of suspected words - there are several sources
that have commented on plant identifications, Dana Scott being the most
prolific. The EVT Interlinear by Jacques Guy and others also has
several tentative identifications listed, a good place to start.
After gathering a list of suspects, I went back to the period and
found the common names for these in the chosen language. There
are a couple herbals of the late 16th, early 17th centuries that give
the common names of plants in Latin, Greek, German, Italian, etc.
I think Gerarde also lists variations on the names. The word
groups you identify as possible plant names should have a
variation of one of these names, so keep a list handy.
Setting the workspace - Herbal A's are the simplest script, and a
likely place to start. One can't fail to notice that pages begin
with different glyphs, but only a small set of glyphs begin
pages. It's likely that a page beginning with the same glyph
might also begin at the same point in a system, so break these pages
down into groups, for instance, 1v, 2r and 2v all start with the same
glyph, so find all the Herbal A pages that start with this glyph and
separate them into a group.
I don't like a lot of clutter in my workspace, so I decided early
on to work only with the first line of each page at first. (Hence
all that talking to myself out loud about not being able to get past a
certain number of glyphs in the first line). I lined up the
transcription of the first line for each page in a group, making the
glyphs form position columns. Logic says that if at least some of
these pages start with the same system, then when I fill in a character
for a glyph in a column, I can fill in that character for all the same
glyphs in the column, and eventually some pattern should
emerge. Yes, an old method, but a "tried and true" method.
My not getting past a certain number of glyphs was because I
hadn't yet discerned where the system changes were located, but if you
get this far, you'll figure it out on your own anyway, and you don't
need my help. You'd think I'd be espousing a very
complicated and drawn out methodology for solving something so
enigmatic as the Voynich, but frankly it's not rocket science, just a
lot of tedium. The hardest part by far is becoming convinced that
these are indeed herbal pages, and that the word groups you see are
indeed plant identifications. Everything else after that is
16th/17th century code breaking technology, eh?
But why the Herbal A's and not the Herbal B's? When the
script changes to Herbal B, the number of words on the page
double. The average herbal description of the day was around 300
words, the average length of an Herbal A page, but the Herbal B's must
contain more information than simple herbal, like mixtures and cures
associated with that herb. The content of an Herbal B page
therefore, is less clear than the content of an Herbal A page, so not
the best place to start. And we all know why you don't start with
the Astrologicals and Zodiacs - you don't have a clue what might be
saying. :-)
Heck, I've said everything needed to be said in two pages or less,
and you wonder why I haven't written a book? 1% content and 99%
patting myself on the back, who would buy that? It's not the
destination, it's the journey that is important.
GC
Some of GC's thoughts on language (11/4/07):
I had mentioned that formulating an opinion on whether or not
the VMS is natural language is (for me at least) a matter of examining
the text itself. Here are a couple of things that
require explanation.
By my count there are 40,715 words in the VMS, including
labels. The VMS contains 9,905 unique words, so if it is
language, this is a modest vocabulary. On closer examination, it
is revealed that 7,120 of the 9,905 words occur only once,
and 1,029 occur only twice. This means that 82.27% of the
Voynich words occur two times or less throughout the entire
manuscript. Disregarding the labels doesn't move this more
than a percentage, so what kind of language could create these
statistics? (Notably, this figure is over 50% for the herbal
pages, but increases dramatically when the VMS is taken as a whole).
Another problem that crops up is the "spelling" of the words
themselves. Taking the herbal-a and herbal-b pages as example,
since we can assume they share subject matter to a degree,
why is it then, that there is no {c89} suffix in the herbal-a
and there is no more than a handful of the {c9} suffix in
the herbal-b?
I won't bore you with lengthy statistics on any of this, I'll let
you do your own work, but the problem doesn't end with a single set of
suffixes. We could say that the {c9/c89} problem was attributable
to two scribes, one with a different choice of spelling for the words
in question. Why however, does each particular Voynich section
show widely different statistics for prefix, "root", and suffix usage
across the board, and why do these choices sometimes change in the
middle of a page? If natural language, none of that can be
attributed to different scribes, especially those oddities that occur
in the middle of pages written in the same hand.
You can generally break the VMS down into sets of prefix, "root",
suffix, though many words won't be pigeon-holed, but then you're faced
with another problem. The root can stand alone as a word, the
prefix can stand alone as a word, and the suffix can stand alone as a
word. As example, there are 166 instances where the word is "4o",
so how can this be both a prefix and word in its own right?
Better question, how can every prefix and suffix also be a complete
word?
For the words that won't be pigeon-holed we face other
problems. Words like "8989" as example. Many long words are
"prefix/prefix/root/suffix" or simply "prefix/prefix/suffix", etc.,
choose a favorite combination and you'll find it in the VMS. And
for short words, one of my favorites is {am}, the most popular word in
the VMS. Second most popular is {8am}. {8} by
itself is a popular word in its own right, and {am} is a popular word
in its own right. {8am} is a popular word, and all three act as
common suffixes. Very strange behavior for a language.
Something else that shows up is that the "alphabet" is not
stable. Different sections introduce new glyphs to the
"alphabet", some persist through later sections, and some are limited
to that section. The list of strangeness goes on and on, but one
can't really appreciate the strangeness of it all until they've looked
at the numbers generated by the Voynich.
The average word length of herbal descriptions from this era was
about 300 words, and this average matches that of the herbal-a
pages. Herbal-b pages jump to around 600 words on average.
This says that the "words" should indeed be words, but the question is,
does each glyph map to a letter in a word? When glyphs are
considered as single letters, the average word length falls roughly in
line with known Western languages, so these glyphs should indeed map to
a single letter equivalent. Considering each glyph an actual
character in a language opens up a whole 'nother set of problems in
character curves and usage however. Character statistics are
pretty much off the chart for language.
There's a lot more to this, and several more reasons why I reject
the idea that the VMS is natural language, but these few should suffice
to provide an idea on why I dissent.
GC on the vellum, wax tablets,
and more... In response to Barbara Barrett, 12/14/07:
No need to repost, since I've seen by your recent posts you still feel the
vellum is "uterine vellum" and the script precludes the use of wax tablets
as an intermediate working medium, so no response is necessary. I would
have liked a more elaborate set of arguments to support these conclusions as
I have tried to put forth on each conclusion I've drawn about the
manuscript, but you have reasons for your conclusions and I have reasons for
mine, and we both know that our reasoning, though somewhat different, is
based on rigorous observation and research.
Since our last exchange, I've been doing a bit more research on these two
topics, partly because I wanted to see how you could be so adamant about
your conclusions. Your point about the translucence of the vellum struck
me, and I wanted to investigate this further. Part of my need to do this
was also rooted in the fact that there has been a span passed since I
engaged in this research, and I wanted to refresh my memory before going
further.
The subject of wax tablets first arose because some of us felt that the
nature of the cipher required that it first be worked out on another medium
before being permanently recorded. Still others remarked at the almost
flawless execution, which pointed to a copy of something, but no copy, nor
even mere scrap of this text, exists anywhere, not even in marginalia,
pointing to an original. I am of the opinion that the materials are not the
finest available, and everything from the ink to the vellum has a "handmade"
quality to it, suggesting a severe lack of funds or meager lifestyle of the
author. Some point to the vellum and say it cost more than paper, but did
it? A monastic habitat could produce vellum for virtually nothing more than
labor, but paper had to be purchased. Home made inks, home made paints,
etc., suggest something different than a copy made for resale. Following
that logic, if cost is a factor, the most likely medium for intermediate
writing would be the reusable wax tablet. I've rehearsed your arguments
against the use of wax tablets, and I remain unconvinced until you shed some
more light on your reasoning. My reasoning I think remains sound, and while
it does not prove the use of wax tablets, it certainly demonstrates that the
script would be ideal for a wax medium.
I'm not overly familiar with the use of wax tablets in modern European
history, but I am aware that they were used until relatively recently
(mid-1800's or later) in the United States in classrooms, and everything
from cursive writing to mathematical calculations were carried out on these
tablets. A very good example of complex writing on a wax tablet can be
found at the York Archaeological Trust website, which has in its possession
a set of 14th century wax tablets with various scripts, Latin and English,
one of the scripts being Cursiva Anglicana, a script which demonstrates that
anything that could be written on paper or vellum could even then be written
in wax.
The second suggestive clue to this is the Voynich script itself. I concur
with D'Imperio that the script has its origins in Latin abbreviations and
shorthand, since I've done a lot of work in this area researching the
individual glyphs and tracking their origins and evolution. Abbreviations
and shorthand did not have its origins in the scriptorium where books were
copied and reproduced, it had its origins in secretarial and accounting
professions, and these professions relied heavily on the use of wax tablets
to record information. The characters themselves were originally designed
by people who routinely used them to record repetitive information on wax
tablets. This holds as well for the precursors of modern shorthand. There
is one case where two individuals in the last decade of the 16th century
both recorded a controversial sermon in a new shorthand on wax tablets, and
then combined their notes to replicate the sermon for print publication.
Unlike the common Latin abbreviation, this new shorthand was far more
intricate, involving a set of rotating dots around hundreds of differing
symbols to stand for various words. These two gentlemen managed to capture
this intricate detail on wax tablets, which would be brain surgery compared
to the very basic stroke nature of the Voynich script. Not only did they
have to record in such minute detail, they had to record as fast as the
spoken word, and on a wax medium. That in itself says something about the
state of the art of the wax tablet by the end of the 16th century, and the
example of Cursiva Anglicana recorded in wax makes it very clear that by the
14th century wax tablets had become an inexpensive and universal writing
medium. I am of course, always open to any new information that would
preclude the Voynich script from being written in wax as an intermediary, or
for that matter, any information that would determine conclusively whether
or not the Voynich is a copy of something else.
The other area where you and I are in disagreement is the "uterine vellum"
attribution. I had done this research before, but I went through it again
in case I missed something earlier. In every example of uterine vellum
available to me at present (about 230 high resolution recto/verso images),
no uterine vellum folio demonstrates a visible grain. Your comment about
translucence of uterine vellum had me going, and I had thought I'd missed
something, but I find that I didn't miss that on the first pass through the
information and relevant examples. What I did miss is the fact that what
I've been calling "calf skin" may not be from a cow at all, but from a deer
or other such readily available animal other than sheep. I managed to
answer a couple of my own questions, only to raise a few more questions for
which I have no current answer.
What I did learn is that a lot of what is termed "uterine vellum" in
scholastic attributions may well not be "vellum" at all, but some other type
of parchment, the term "vellum" relating specifically to "calf", akin to
"veal". For the sake of brevity I won't go into detail on all the varied
processing techniques that led to different types and grades of parchment, I
will simply suffice in saying that the imitation of uterine vellum had
become a valued craft. One thing I am certain of however, is that the
Voynich parchment is not one of these attempts to create an imitation
uterine vellum. It is a very soft and translucent parchment for the most
part, but it does not stand up to the quality necessary for real or
imitation uterine vellum. It's soft texture and translucence may lie
entirely in the animal skin from which it was harvested. Indeed, many of
the small Franciscan bibles and pocket Psalters that were previously
considered to be fine uterine vellum are being tested and turning out to be
rabbit! The Voynich bifolios are too large for the common rabbit however,
so that question remains open for the moment. No true uterine vellum has
that visible and prominent grain however, so in my mind at least, true
uterine vellum can be precluded.
Previous to your attribution, I was using data gathered from leather
manufacturers to determine the grain size, and therefore the age, of the
animals in question, thinking them to be calves, and nothing else. The
problem with this is that in order for an ordinary young calf skin to be
transformed into a translucent fine vellum, part of the process requires a
treatment that doesn't just stretch the grainy fibers, it obliterates and
removes the grainy fibers, a procedure not performed on the Voynich
parchment. All but a handful of the Voynich parchment bifolios have very
visible grain, and in some cases the grain is prominent on both sides of the
bifolio. If this were calf, this would suggest the use of a part of a skin
that would normally be discarded in commercial manufacture. If these are
vellum, these pages are either not commercially manufactured, or they are
remnants considered unusable and sold as seconds. After viewing literally
thousands of high resolution images of vellum from a wide range of dates, in
no case have I run across vellum half as grainy as the Voynich parchment. I
have a little more research to do in this area, but currently I'm harboring
the suspicion that these pages aren't calf at all, but something else
entirely. I still stand by the few pages I have identified as sheep, as I
have found supporting images for these pages. Right now I'm looking heavily
at deer, and will keep you informed on whether or not the grain matches that
of deer parchment.
Barbara, don't think that I'm finding fault for the sake of argument, I
truly have better things to do with my time than conduct a Monty Python
style argument. These things matter to me, and the truth, however it
reveals itself, matters a great deal to me. Everything about this
manuscript lies hidden in the details, otherwise there would be no logic in
quibbling about such small details as wax tablets, type of vellum, or even
wet paint transfers. Take for instance my "witch's hats" in the Zodiac
section. A very small detail, but something I've been interested in for
years. It's a hat fashion that became popular in certain areas in the 15th
century. Some place this in the 14th century, but long study has
demonstrated that these 14th century attributions are misprints of earlier
research, something that comes out when examining the details of the wording
used in these repeated "histories". The origin of these hats appears to be
in the 15th century, and in parts of Europe their use as fashion extended
into the 16th century. You're a 13th century girl when it comes to the
Voynich, so how does this small detail fit into that scenario? The
streamlined and lidded alborello jars in the Pharma section, a style not
usually associated with Italian alborelli. This fancy style was created by
Dutch artisans in the latter half of the 15th century, entered Germany circa
1470 and brought to England circa 1490. Nothing approaching this design or
style is found in the 13th century, and European alborelli in general are
15th century. The several examples of women holding large rings and wearing
wedding headdress. Rings this size (usually wooden) have their origins in
the north, not in Germany or Italy, as another example. No dark or black
hair, how can that be Italian? etc., a long line of questions (I've
catalogued about 300, about 80 of which go directly to dating).
In a not so recent correspondence I remember saying that after finding
myself consistently wrong during my first 10 years of Voynich study, I
finally knuckled down and conducted my research in a scientific manner. The
evidence weighs in heavily for the 15th century at the earliest, and even
that at the higher end of the scale, if not early 16th century. I must
allow for the possibility that the Voynich was a work created over several
decades, since the earliest I can date f57v is the middle of the 16th
century. I might yet find something that allows me to date that page
earlier, but that information has not yet presented itself. It is not
unusual however, for a work like this to be ongoing over a lifetime, or even
two lifetimes if handed off to a successor. The Voynich could possibly span
100 years of workmanship if it proves to be constructed by more than one
person.
GC